tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post8108854443010894652..comments2024-03-18T17:28:44.693-07:00Comments on Rondam Ramblings: Proposition 8 stands. And that's a good thing.Ronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-41494372193060715252009-06-21T11:10:43.331-07:002009-06-21T11:10:43.331-07:00Oh, that's not an impasse, that's a simple...Oh, that's not an impasse, that's a simple misunderstanding. I *never* said, nor meant to imply, that all old people are bigots. I only said (and I stand by this) that people who would use the force of law to deny gays the right to marry whom they love are bigoted, that such bigots are more likely to be old than young (which is simply a fact), and that it is therefore virtually Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-43588550929692020212009-06-21T09:21:18.374-07:002009-06-21T09:21:18.374-07:00The impasse is about the definition of bigotry.
Y...The impasse is about the definition of bigotry.<br /><br />Your "So you believe..." remark above is nowhere near anything I've written here and is directly insulting. I do not believe that or anything close to that.<br /><br />In fact, I've not said what I believe here on any matter. I've only objected to being lumped into a group that you call bigoted - "the older Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-14402340480576648612009-06-20T17:19:04.744-07:002009-06-20T17:19:04.744-07:00> We are at an impasse, then.
Really? So you ...> We are at an impasse, then.<br /><br />Really? So you believe that people who support institutionalized discrimination against blacks deserve to have their views respected? If so then we really will have to agree to disagree on that and submit that dispute to the judgement of history. But if not then I'm going to have to ask you to clarify your position: If some views deserve respectRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-66448298049748138752009-06-20T16:40:25.682-07:002009-06-20T16:40:25.682-07:00We are at an impasse, then.
Thanks for the retrac...We are at an impasse, then.<br /><br />Thanks for the retraction of "good riddance."Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-19163607565618699402009-06-20T11:37:26.636-07:002009-06-20T11:37:26.636-07:00> People of faith, not just blacks, are overwhe...> People of faith, not just blacks, are overwhelmingly opposed to same sex marriage.<br /><br />But people of faith have not in general been the victims of institutionalized discrimination the way blacks have, and I was talking about irony. (BTW, it is not quite true that "people of faith" oppose gay marriage. People of *some* faiths oppose gay marriage. In particular, evangelicalRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-11911360564088834482009-06-20T10:52:01.680-07:002009-06-20T10:52:01.680-07:00People of faith, not just blacks, are overwhelming...People of faith, not just blacks, are overwhelmingly opposed to same sex marriage. The black community is overwhelmingly of faith.<br /><br />I want you to understand something. I don't care what your position on this matter is - you are entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to voice it, and you are entitled to be treated respectfully about it.<br /><br />So are those who disagree with Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-40974541670538366852009-06-20T09:28:19.731-07:002009-06-20T09:28:19.731-07:00> Some people do not believe in same sex marria...> Some people do not believe in same sex marriage. How is that bigoted?<br /><br />In exactly the same way that not "believing in" (whatever that means) interracial marriage is bigoted. (It is thus a staggering irony that blacks are overwhelmingly opposed to gay marriage, enough to have swung the vote on Prop 8. The oppressed have become the oppressors.)Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-92043424522781043992009-06-20T05:38:17.787-07:002009-06-20T05:38:17.787-07:00Some people do not believe in same sex marriage. H...Some people do not believe in same sex marriage. How is that bigoted?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-18844151278453676672009-06-19T17:25:25.286-07:002009-06-19T17:25:25.286-07:00Because I believe in calling things by their right...Because I believe in calling things by their rightful names.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-73827184696839958922009-06-19T16:43:24.592-07:002009-06-19T16:43:24.592-07:00Then why use the term bigotry at all?Then why use the term bigotry at all?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-26234430376861065392009-06-19T14:44:41.968-07:002009-06-19T14:44:41.968-07:00> You are tarring the "older generation&qu...> You are tarring the "older generation" with the brush of bigotry.<br /><br />No, I don't think I am. That prejudice against gays is more prevalent among older people than younger people is simply a fact. I never said, nor meant to imply, that *all* old people are prejudiced against gays, or that old people should be treated with hatred or intolerance because they are Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-89414784788768844182009-06-19T14:23:48.189-07:002009-06-19T14:23:48.189-07:00I appreciate that much, at least. I'll take it...I appreciate that much, at least. I'll take it on faith that you don't mean to do me and my ilk in.<br /><br />Here's the definition of bigot: "a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"<br /><br />You are Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-79126421059950610102009-06-19T09:54:08.420-07:002009-06-19T09:54:08.420-07:00You're right, it is offensive. I apologize. ...You're right, it is offensive. I apologize. I meant good riddance to the bigotry, not to the people, but that's not what I wrote. I just didn't think it through.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-43330196541751651862009-06-19T09:38:04.436-07:002009-06-19T09:38:04.436-07:00As someone who is 61 and thus probably in your eye...As someone who is 61 and thus probably in your eyes a member of the "older generation," I find your "good riddance" comment just as bigoted as the opinion you condemn and thus highly offensive.<br /><br />Of course, it's possible that you do not know the definition of the word "bigotry." I can assure you that it does not mean holding a different opinion than Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08013750410530895564noreply@blogger.com