tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post6179355928935591811..comments2024-03-18T17:28:44.693-07:00Comments on Rondam Ramblings: The insidious problem of racismRonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-57450575752255106472020-08-28T17:56:01.605-07:002020-08-28T17:56:01.605-07:00@Ron:
> With all due respect, I'm in a bet...@Ron:<br /><br />> With all due respect, I'm in a better position than you to know what is and is not an absurd caricature of my position.<br /><br />As a third party not emotionally caught up in this, it's hard for me to see how the four <a href="showComment=1596048863380#c8345675572010204564" rel="nofollow">"solutions"</a> <a href="http://blog.rongarret.info/2020/06/Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395549142176242491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-68652964032990338032020-08-28T17:28:49.475-07:002020-08-28T17:28:49.475-07:00@Ron: "With all due respect, I'm in a bet...@Ron: "<i>With all due respect, I'm in a better position than you to know what is and is not an absurd caricature of my position.</i>"<br /><br />No, you're not. You are blinded to the inherent self-contradictions in your multiple statements. I basically did an analogy to a reductio ad absurdum argument on your statements. The "absurd" outcome was intended -- but itDon Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-26703798665131037092020-08-28T12:48:19.249-07:002020-08-28T12:48:19.249-07:00@Don:
I'm glad to see you're still engagi...@Don:<br /><br />I'm glad to see you're still engaging on this. But I just don't know how to respond to things like this:<br /><br />> > "That is an absurd caricature of my position."<br /><br />> False.<br /><br />With all due respect, I'm in a better position than you to know what is and is not an absurd caricature of my position. Maybe I haven't done a Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-10546285059701095772020-08-27T10:33:28.562-07:002020-08-27T10:33:28.562-07:00A relevant comic: Tom The Dancing Bug, 8/27/2020. ...A relevant comic: <a href="https://www.gocomics.com/tomthedancingbug/2020/08/27" rel="nofollow">Tom The Dancing Bug, 8/27/2020</a>. Pretty much in line (I expect) with Ron's opinions, and somewhat clever. Intuitively compelling, but, in the end, mistaken on the conclusion.<br /><br />"<i>That is an absurd caricature of my position.</i>"<br /><br />False. You may have gotten so Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-17351448264204771232020-07-31T19:56:46.664-07:002020-07-31T19:56:46.664-07:00Ron's Harmful "solution" 2/2
Resto...<b>Ron's Harmful "solution" 2/2</b> <br /><br /><b>Restore Black Families</b><br /><br />Blacks were doing quite well until they came under the influence of the Democratic party and harmful policies designed to "help them." One hundred years ago, the black unemployment rate was <a href="https://t.ly/IGtd" rel="nofollow">lower</a> than the white unemployment rate. Black Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-55931919487272964602020-07-31T19:55:56.941-07:002020-07-31T19:55:56.941-07:00Ron's Harmful "solution" 1/2
@Ron:...<b>Ron's Harmful "solution" 1/2</b> <br /><br />@Ron: <br /><i>"For what it's worth, I hereby confess my sins, acknowledge my white privilege, and announce my advocacy for reparations." </i><br /><br />Leave it to you to support a "solution" that would actually make the situation <i>worse.</i> Reparations -- however that would be administered (you haven'tPubliushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-27393902637154755822020-07-31T12:46:58.717-07:002020-07-31T12:46:58.717-07:00BarcaLounger Theory vs. Data
@Ron:
>I've ...<b>BarcaLounger Theory vs. Data</b><br /><br />@Ron:<br /><br /><i>>I've advanced a hypothesis: 250 years of slavery, followed by 100 years of overt institutionalized discrimination, followed by 60 years of slightly less overt institutionalized discrimination, together with the observation that the effects of such discrimination cross generational lines. That seems like a perfectly Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-52919854167327463172020-07-31T12:18:23.544-07:002020-07-31T12:18:23.544-07:00This just occurred to me as well:
> I have rej...This just occurred to me as well:<br /><br />> I have rejected every time, your advocacy of avoiding actual truth and choosing to deliberately believe lies.<br /><br />Here are two other illustrative examples where suspension of disbelief can be constructive:<br /><br />1. The placebo effect<br /><br />2. Adolescent youth often fall into a vicious cycle of depression triggered by a belief Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-46201747931994349862020-07-31T09:37:24.734-07:002020-07-31T09:37:24.734-07:00[Re-posting because apparently EM tags don't w...[Re-posting because apparently EM tags don't work.]<br /><br />> Now you are honestly trying to suggest that if reparations were offered, that this would somehow cause fewer blacks to be good at basketball, or more blacks to study engineering?<br /><br />No. Of course not. That is an absurd caricature of my position.<br /><br />I am not saying that my proposed solution is the best one, or Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-73175086642517102882020-07-30T07:07:07.446-07:002020-07-30T07:07:07.446-07:00@Ron: "my advocacy for reparations"
Yes...@Ron: "<i>my advocacy for reparations</i>"<br /><br />Yes, I apologize for overlooking that one. I did try to re-read all your words, and find <i>any</i> proposed solutions.<br /><br />So. Now you are honestly trying to suggest that if reparations were offered, that this would somehow cause fewer blacks to be good at basketball, or more blacks to study engineering? You're a fool.Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-8451373406975970062020-07-30T00:54:06.960-07:002020-07-30T00:54:06.960-07:00Ron's Political Lies
>There are actually p...<b>Ron's Political Lies</b><br /><br /><i>>There are actually people who think that we've already gone overboard in our attempts to address racial issues in the U.S. There is a small but significant contingent who believes that legally enforced segregation, a return to separate-but-equal, is actually the Right Answer. If you think these people can simply be ignored you have not been Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-86696584898108727512020-07-30T00:53:24.934-07:002020-07-30T00:53:24.934-07:00Science vs. Quakers
>Many slave owners believe...<b>Science vs. Quakers</b><br /><br /><i>>Many slave owners believed in good faith at the time that they were actually doing blacks a favor by enslaving them.. . . </i><br /><br />Where they applying the best science of the day? <br /><br />In the days of the Roman Empire, Cicero warned his fellow Romans not to buy British slaves, because he found them hard to teach anything. A 10th century Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-24344011789679879052020-07-30T00:52:36.592-07:002020-07-30T00:52:36.592-07:00The BarcaLounger Chronicles
@Ron:
>Notice that...<b>The BarcaLounger Chronicles</b><br /><br />@Ron:<br /><i>>Notice that it is not necessary for it to actually be true that non-basketball careers are closed to blacks to set this vicious cycle into motion. The mere perception that it is true is enough. If a black kid growing up in the hood believes that he's never going to be hired as an engineer then he could reach the perfectly Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-45774607719996411422020-07-29T16:15:31.562-07:002020-07-29T16:15:31.562-07:00> So I have honestly tried to find your propose...> So I have honestly tried to find your proposed solutions, and it's a challenge.<br /><br />"For what it's worth, I hereby confess my sins, acknowledge my white privilege, and <em>announce my advocacy for reparations</em>." [Emphasis added.]<br /><br />> That "self-fulfilling prophecy" is not caused by "people in power".<br /><br />Yes, it is.<br /><Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-51004237149193350932020-07-29T15:19:00.008-07:002020-07-29T15:19:00.008-07:00@Ron: Well, unfortunately this seems non-productiv...@Ron: Well, unfortunately this seems non-productive again. I actually liked your post here. I thought you were insightful and fair, albeit mostly complaining without offering solutions. But now this latest comment, seems to me, to have fallen back into the depths of unthinking knee-jerk political correctness.<br /><br />"...offered any solutions" "<i>Yes, I have.</i>"<br />Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-83456755720102045642020-07-29T11:54:23.380-07:002020-07-29T11:54:23.380-07:00> But you haven't actually offered any solu...> But you haven't actually offered any solutions.<br /><br />Yes, <a href="http://blog.rongarret.info/2020/06/remember-ricky-ray-rector.html" rel="nofollow">I have</a>.<br /><br />> You seem to think the people "with power" ... are somehow responsible for this outcome.<br /><br />Not "somehow". I just wrote two blog posts explaining exactly how and why people in Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-57295826058845162242020-07-28T11:22:51.388-07:002020-07-28T11:22:51.388-07:00You are right that "culture" plays a hug...You are right that "culture" plays a huge factor in shaping individual choices (which in turn are the causal factor in final outcomes).<br /><br />You seem to think the people "with power" don't care, and are somehow responsible for this outcome. And "it needs fixing <i>now</i>".<br /><br />But you haven't actually offered any solutions. What are you Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.com