tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post4818350747642332250..comments2024-03-18T17:28:44.693-07:00Comments on Rondam Ramblings: Reflections on being an AI in a boxRonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-43837932921302741692015-01-18T23:12:53.742-08:002015-01-18T23:12:53.742-08:00The Far Horizon
>Excellent! You have taken a s...The Far Horizon<br /><br />>Excellent! You have taken a small step towards enlightenment. Maybe there is hope for you yet. ;-)<br /><br />Wow, this opens up all sorts of new vistas and possibilities: Ron can make me smarter. I should think up some homework for you. Wait, perhaps I should be the one doing the homework? Doh, I'm confused already!Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-45651400091806060332015-01-17T17:27:49.243-08:002015-01-17T17:27:49.243-08:00> That's just what one would expect a belie...> That's just what one would expect a believer in Loki to say. <br /><br />Excellent! You have taken a small step towards enlightenment. Maybe there is hope for you yet. ;-)<br /><br />> Except if it's "baby" vs "fetus," then you're all over it.<br /><br />You misunderstand what I mean by "quibbling over terminology." AFAICT, we do not disagree Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-41078693357000610562015-01-17T14:21:46.758-08:002015-01-17T14:21:46.758-08:00Up on the roads to the east
>You do understand...Up on the roads to the east<br /><br />>You do understand that I don't actually believe in Loki either, yes?<br /><br />That's just what one would expect a believer in Loki to say. <br /><br />>I don't much care for quibbling over terminology.<br /><br />Except if it's "baby" vs "fetus," then you're all over it.<br />Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-48808481174947583712015-01-17T12:21:36.697-08:002015-01-17T12:21:36.697-08:00> Just skip all the pretense with Loki and tell...> Just skip all the pretense with Loki and tell people you believe in the Golden Calf.<br /><br />You do understand that I don't actually believe in Loki either, yes?<br /><br />> Is it human life? <br /><br />I don't much care for quibbling over terminology. Are <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00338QENI?btkr=1" rel="nofollow">Henrietta Lacks's cancer cells</a> humanRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-38305979622324408982015-01-17T10:58:06.759-08:002015-01-17T10:58:06.759-08:00>while I really appreciate your concern for my ...>while I really appreciate your concern for my immortal soul, I can't help but wonder: why do you care so much? <br /><br />You are the verge of a great awakening. Two volunteered to help you through your apocalypse. You think you are free, but you are really a slave. What enslaves you is close to you, insidious, and seductive. Yet the source of your awaking is also near to you.Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-52888127282116662602015-01-17T10:50:31.749-08:002015-01-17T10:50:31.749-08:00Bacchanalia
>If resurrection is proof of divi...Bacchanalia <br /><br />>If resurrection is proof of divinity, then Dionysus must be even more divine than Jesus, because Dionysus keeps getting resurrected over and over.<br /><br />Bacchus? Just skip all the pretense with Loki and tell people you believe in the Golden Calf.<br /><br />>(And there is as much reliable evidence of Dionysus's resurrection as there is for Jesus's, Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-78477921140858697082015-01-09T13:29:09.453-08:002015-01-09T13:29:09.453-08:00BTW, Publius, while I really appreciate your conce...BTW, Publius, while I really appreciate your concern for my immortal soul, I can't help but wonder: why do you care so much? You seem to be investing an awful lot of time into this, and it must be clear to you by now that your odds of convincing me are pretty low.<br />Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-17288510304667605752015-01-09T13:26:33.676-08:002015-01-09T13:26:33.676-08:00> I would limit scientific inquiry to our unive...> I would limit scientific inquiry to our universe. If you're outside that domain, you've gone into science fiction.<br /><br />Try telling that to David Deutsch, keeping in mind that the sub-title of one of his books is "The Science of Parallel Universes--and Its Implications."<br /><br />> Jesus' Resurrection is the incisive proof of His divinity.<br /><br />If Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-74776265503808669052015-01-08T21:31:23.703-08:002015-01-08T21:31:23.703-08:00>> But why does it exist? What is its cause?...>> But why does it exist? What is its cause? This is not a scientific question;<br /><br />>No, you are absolutely wrong about that. Not only is this *a* scientific question, it is *the* scientific question. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand science at all.<br /><br />I would limit scientific inquiry to our universe. If you're outside that domain, you&#Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-36313328923293753242015-01-06T12:51:07.653-08:002015-01-06T12:51:07.653-08:00> Mental process, or they really are gaining kn...> Mental process, or they really are gaining knowledge of God's existence.<br /><br />Is there any evidence for God's existence other than the subjective experience of people who pray? If not, then the overwhelmingly likely explanation is that it's a mental process. You can't gain actual knowledge of the existence of a thing that does not in fact exist.<br /><br />> Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-11469077931672008132015-01-06T00:16:55.240-08:002015-01-06T00:16:55.240-08:00Alpha and Omega
>Clearly there is a mental pro...Alpha and Omega<br /><br />>Clearly there is a mental process that many people go through that ends up with them believing in God. <br /><br />Mental process, or <i>they really are gaining knowledge of God's existence.</i><br />Can't really know for sure [yet].<br /><br />Perhaps, though, if you <i>experienced</i> it, you could make a judgement about it. <br />Diagrams and pictures of Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-64806402661416928302015-01-06T00:11:49.653-08:002015-01-06T00:11:49.653-08:00> We have a model- Model G - and the observed w...> We have a model- Model G - and the observed world fits the model. <br />> We have another model - Model N - and the observed world also fits this model. <br /><br />In a finite universe we can only ever have a finite number of data points, so there will always be an infinite number of theories that fit the data. It's not enough to *fit* the data. That is necessary, but not Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-84774835282838826692015-01-05T23:35:55.444-08:002015-01-05T23:35:55.444-08:00Eat the Rich?
>> The God of the OT can be r...Eat the Rich?<br /><br />>> The God of the OT can be reconciled with the NT in several ways<br />><br />>Sorry, I am utterly unconvinced. There is just no way to rationalize Leviticus 26:29. Have you actually read that verse? Here, let me help you:<br />><br />>"And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."<br />><br />>Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-67871216082784128292015-01-05T23:34:31.794-08:002015-01-05T23:34:31.794-08:00Remembering the Future
>And everyone who met J...Remembering the Future<br /><br />>And everyone who met Jesus saw his face (or did He wear a niqab?)<br /><br />Jesus was God and man. <br /><br />>> You have to invite Him.<br />><br />>If my will can thwart God's then He can't be omnipotent.<br /><br />One could consider the Bible starts out with God's will being thwarted, due to man having free will. The next 2000 Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-20970983088395228852015-01-05T22:13:28.312-08:002015-01-05T22:13:28.312-08:00>> So you would expect not to find any evide...>> So you would expect not to find any evidence<br />><br />>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot<br />>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn<br /><br />Here is some <a href="http://www.thewarfareismental.net/b/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/garvey-on-the-teapot.pdf" rel="nofollow">criticism</a> of the teapot argument. I will summarize it as:<br /><br />We Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-31784029790903527232015-01-04T09:55:37.036-08:002015-01-04T09:55:37.036-08:00> Great, now Luke and I are lab rats. :-)
No, ...> Great, now Luke and I are lab rats. :-)<br /><br />No, you're guinea pigs ;-)<br /><br />> I was thinking more along the lines of the various prayer experiments<br /><br />"Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect."<br /><br />> (and even measuring the weight of soul).<br /><br />&Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-23145213799710636672015-01-04T00:21:20.227-08:002015-01-04T00:21:20.227-08:00> Abraham did see His back.
And everyone who m...> Abraham did see His back.<br /><br />And everyone who met Jesus saw his face (or did He wear a niqab?)<br /><br />> You have to invite Him.<br /><br />If my will can thwart God's then He can't be omnipotent.<br /><br />BTW, God is not the only one who needs an invitation:<br /><br />https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090928102619AAxBsYE<br /><br />> You want to knowRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-59496757835784450512015-01-03T23:22:36.623-08:002015-01-03T23:22:36.623-08:00Experiments to Find God
>> What, you're...Experiments to Find God<br /><br />>> What, you're not running any experiments?<br />><br />>Of course I am. What do you think this is?<br /><br />Great, now Luke and I are lab rats. :-)<br /><br />I was thinking more along the lines of the various <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer" rel="nofollow">prayer experiments</a> (and even measuring the <Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-34550312818714810102015-01-03T22:24:38.971-08:002015-01-03T22:24:38.971-08:00Short Notes on God
>Yes, I get that. But then ...Short Notes on God<br /><br />>Yes, I get that. But then the AI-box model fails to account for God's caginess. We need to keep ourselves isolated from a TAI because a TAI is a threat to us. But that can't be the reason God keeps Himself isolated from us.<br /><br />In a state of sin, if one were to see the face of God, His majestisty would be experienced as His wrath, and <a href="Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-65231110207967772522015-01-03T12:53:40.478-08:002015-01-03T12:53:40.478-08:00> I'll have to write a separate post about...> I'll have to write a separate post about it.<br /><br />http://blog.rongarret.info/2015/01/why-i-believe-in-michelson-morley.html<br />Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-82781258293843678202015-01-01T22:48:10.422-08:002015-01-01T22:48:10.422-08:00Oh, by the way, happy new year!
Oh, by the way, happy new year!<br />Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-11810377807791337782015-01-01T22:46:40.913-08:002015-01-01T22:46:40.913-08:00> What, you're not running any experiments?...<br />> What, you're not running any experiments?<br /><br />Of course I am. What do you think this is?<br /><br />> Even Michelson & Morley looked for the Luminiferous Ether. You replicated that, right? Just didn't read about it in a book?<br /><br />That is a valid point, for which I have no succinct answer. I'll have to write a separate post about it.<br /><br />> SoRonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-27535839888130360112015-01-01T22:46:30.233-08:002015-01-01T22:46:30.233-08:00> If you don't tell it, it won't know
...> If you don't tell it, it won't know<br /><br />No, that's not true. Because we are not gods, the only source of complexity we have to seed a simulation comes from the universe we inhabit. So the AI's universe will necessarily contain information from our universe. From that, a TAI will be able to deduce the existence of our universe, the existence of boxes, and the fact Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-80742723429254056682015-01-01T01:23:44.234-08:002015-01-01T01:23:44.234-08:00God and the Natural World
>> You considered...<a href="https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Tim+2%3A4&version=NIV" rel="nofollow">God and the Natural World</a><br /><br />>> You considered that an essential part of the protocol - perhaps it is with God as well.<br />><br />>Quite possible. But you seem to have forgotten one very important point: the *reason* that secrecy is necessary is that TAIs are *dangerous*. Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-80616152424920474032015-01-01T01:22:01.487-08:002015-01-01T01:22:01.487-08:00Human and TAI Co-evolution
>> How could a T...Human and TAI Co-evolution<br /><br />>> How could a TAI do this?<br /><br />>The same way we did.<br /><br />You told the TAI it was inside a box.<br />If you don't tell it, it won't know (see Deutsch on how a <a href="http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.125.4866&rep=rep1&type=pdf" rel="nofollow">perfect simulation</a> is possible).<br /><br />>&Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.com