tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post3961081196743175702..comments2024-03-18T17:28:44.693-07:00Comments on Rondam Ramblings: Idea-ism: a rational basis for moralityRonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-10472765446261274792023-12-21T10:22:58.778-08:002023-12-21T10:22:58.778-08:00> This seems little different than Consequentia...> This seems little different than Consequentialism.<br /><br />The difference is that I am taking a very specific position on how to assess the consequences. Consequentialism by itself doesn't do that.<br /><br />> If we could prove that memes would flourish and expand if we just enslaved 2% of the population -- would that be ethical?<br /><br />That's an excellent question. My Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-57800638925939383732023-12-19T02:10:40.134-08:002023-12-19T02:10:40.134-08:00@Ron:
>So what I propose instead as a moral pre...@Ron:<br />><i>So what I propose instead as a moral premise is: moral behavior is that which advances the interests of memes.</i><br /><br />This seems little different than Consequentialism.<br /><br />If we could prove that memes would flourish and expand if we just enslaved 2% of the population -- would that be ethical?<br /><br />Under your system, the moral worth of an action is premised Publiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00647613579979908182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-46404730697566133632014-10-21T11:46:43.674-07:002014-10-21T11:46:43.674-07:00When we sit down next, I look forward to getting a...When we sit down next, I look forward to getting an idea of your priorities in life. I also look forward to hearing about the startup you're doing. :-)Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395549142176242491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-23600655988148819132014-10-21T10:06:02.569-07:002014-10-21T10:06:02.569-07:00The only way you escape from having to pay bills i...The only way you escape from having to pay bills in this world is to die, or move into the wilderness. It's true I don't have to work for the man to pay the bills, but I still have to pay the bills, change the odd light bulb. Oh, and there's this startup company that I'm supposed to be running.<br /><br />> am around to discuss it whenever<br /><br />Awesome! That's Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-67795634061318089862014-10-21T10:00:42.849-07:002014-10-21T10:00:42.849-07:00I thought you had no more bills to pay. :-p Anyhow...I thought you had no more bills to pay. :-p Anyhow, know that I find the idea fascinating, that I do intentionally make lots of time for this stuff, and am around to discuss it whenever!Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395549142176242491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-46571797282788354962014-10-21T09:59:31.756-07:002014-10-21T09:59:31.756-07:00It *is* important to me. But it's still an id...It *is* important to me. But it's still an idea that is less than six months old, and I do have other fish to fry. Philosophy doesn't pay the bills.<br />Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-12373338215972518052014-10-21T09:53:32.926-07:002014-10-21T09:53:32.926-07:00> Why? This is a blog, not a peer-reviewed jour...> Why? This is a blog, not a peer-reviewed journal. There's a lot of half-baked stuff here.<br /><br />The extent to which you link to it makes me think it's fairly important to you. Generally, I find that people develop ideas (hehe) that are important to them. Then again, you and I still hardly know each other.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395549142176242491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-59249716499646683502014-10-21T09:46:10.320-07:002014-10-21T09:46:10.320-07:00> I find that a bit odd
Why? This is a blog, ...> I find that a bit odd<br /><br />Why? This is a blog, not a peer-reviewed journal. There's a lot of half-baked stuff here.<br />Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-73897327362946215512014-10-21T01:12:40.980-07:002014-10-21T01:12:40.980-07:00I guess; from our discussions, it seemed like you ...I guess; from our discussions, it seemed like you had thought about idea-ism a lot more than it appears you actually have. I find that a bit odd, if you're trying on idea-ism as a new, better morality. What am I missing?Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395549142176242491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-85687732566871023542014-10-20T18:05:46.599-07:002014-10-20T18:05:46.599-07:00Idea-ism *is* a hypothesis. One of the consequenc...Idea-ism *is* a hypothesis. One of the consequences of the hypothesis is that creativity is valuable (because it produces a greater variety of memes). There might be more to say about this but I haven't given it a lot of thought.<br /><br />Does that come anywhere close to answering your question?<br />Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-47584820820490190732014-10-20T17:02:35.229-07:002014-10-20T17:02:35.229-07:00What would you say is the connection between idea-...What would you say is the connection between idea-ism, hypothesis formation, and creativity? Feel free to state that you think one has nothing to do with the others.Lukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18395549142176242491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-63100119181816913922013-07-04T13:48:45.810-07:002013-07-04T13:48:45.810-07:00Love the video. I had expected the orcas to toss ...Love the video. I had expected the orcas to toss the pups using their mouths and teeth, but instead they toss them with their tails. Very impressive!<br /><br />I 100% agree with this: "<i>Morality requires (IMHO) the ability to recognize that other entities have subjective experiences.</i>"<br /><br />My own suggestion to you, is that "free will" is a philosophical Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-20503277507066400002013-07-04T12:04:13.849-07:002013-07-04T12:04:13.849-07:00Here's the problem with Eliezer's theory o...Here's the problem with Eliezer's theory of free will with respect to the question of morality: Orcas eat seal pups. Before they eat them, they will often play with the pups, throwing them into the air like beach balls, e.g.:<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuUFjvBnu9g<br /><br />You really should watch the video. The visceral sensation of actually seeing a seal pup tortured Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-35511307939709309662013-07-03T18:19:34.056-07:002013-07-03T18:19:34.056-07:00Interesting! Thanks for the expansion. Gives me ...Interesting! Thanks for the expansion. Gives me a bit to think about :-).<br /><br />On the narrow topic of "do we have free will?", I am generally satisfied with the <a href="http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Free_will" rel="nofollow">answer from Eliezer Yudkowsky</a> on Less Wrong. The <a href="http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Free_will_%28solution%29" rel="nofollow">answer</a> is Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.com