tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post112379093566132430..comments2024-03-18T17:28:44.693-07:00Comments on Rondam Ramblings: ID in schools, round 2Ronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-1127779480596479712005-09-26T17:04:00.000-07:002005-09-26T17:04:00.000-07:00Hey, take it easy--I'm just having fun with the di...Hey, take it easy--I'm just having fun with the dialectic and trying to see your point of view.<BR/><BR/>All I'm trying to do is point out that there is philosophy involved in teaching science since most science classes are taught with the unspoken assumption that the senses are the only valid way that humans can gain knowledge. (This is what I'm referring to as strict empiricism a la Locke.) It Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-1127770299926833592005-09-26T14:31:00.000-07:002005-09-26T14:31:00.000-07:00You're not going to be able to avoid teaching phil...<I>You're not going to be able to avoid teaching philosophy if you're teaching science</I><BR/><BR/>Nearly all of my science teachers managed to do it.<BR/><BR/><I>The question is whether you choose to exclusively preach empirical naturalism or take a balanced view that admits there could be a more metaphysically tenable position out there.</I><BR/><BR/>There's no preaching involved. Empirical Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14719368822663798864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-1127762466645904642005-09-26T12:21:00.000-07:002005-09-26T12:21:00.000-07:00By your definition, is math science?No, just as mu...<I>By your definition, is math science?</I><BR/><BR/>No, just as musical notation is not music.<BR/><BR/><I>can science be said to be strictly empirical?</I><BR/><BR/>That depends on what you mean by "strictly empirical." Empiricism is a necessary (by definition) component of science, but there is more to science than simply making observations.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14719368822663798864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-1127755275461602312005-09-26T10:21:00.000-07:002005-09-26T10:21:00.000-07:00By your definition, is math science? If so can sci...By your definition, is math science? If so can science be said to be strictly empirical?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-1127753372643974912005-09-26T09:49:00.000-07:002005-09-26T09:49:00.000-07:00My position, following the mainstream of anti-ID-i...<I>My position, following the mainstream of anti-ID-in-public-schoool-science-classes, is that ID is not science and ought not to be taught as such.</I><BR/><BR/>Right, of course. ID is not science. It's a philosophical position that is supported by science. But what you have to understand is that it's impossible to keep philosophy out of the science classroom. (For heaven's sake, science itself Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-1124484566787766352005-08-19T13:49:00.000-07:002005-08-19T13:49:00.000-07:00Well, you've got at least one loyal reader here. I...Well, you've got at least one loyal reader here. I figured that you quit to work on indieBuyer, judging by the resume on your site at flownet.John Douganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17697319138259306921noreply@blogger.com