tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post7417262454980933601..comments2024-03-18T17:28:44.693-07:00Comments on Rondam Ramblings: Trumpcare and the TPP: Republicans have learned nothing from historyRonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-28284370552343589602017-06-19T22:55:46.326-07:002017-06-19T22:55:46.326-07:00@Peter: I don't know. You'll have to ask ...@Peter: I don't know. You'll have to ask someone who actually thought the TPP was a good idea. (NOTE: I thought that the TPP's ostensible goals were and still are good goals, but I was never a fan of either the process or the product.)<br /><br />@Don: I probably should have hedged with "may have" cost Hillary the election. In the end, it came down to <a href="http://Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-59087488741604294312017-06-19T20:18:15.838-07:002017-06-19T20:18:15.838-07:00@Ron: "The idea was that with that many count...@Ron: "The idea was that with that many countries signing on, including the U.S., China would have to play by the rules that the TPP established."<br /><br />Hm. That seems like a weak argument to me. See below.<br /><br />"Those rules included things like intellectual property protections which were favorable to U.S. companies."<br /><br />As I understand it, they were Peter Donishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09122769947782402203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-25271988755139842972017-06-19T13:41:44.301-07:002017-06-19T13:41:44.301-07:00Ron wrote: The secret negotiation of the TPP ultim...Ron wrote: <i>The secret negotiation of the TPP ultimately cost Hillary Clinton the presidency</i><br /><br />In my opinion, that's a tremendously oversimplified explanation for the outcome of the election. It was a very, very close race, with the difference being only a swing of a few percentage points here or there. And, in the last few months, voter sentiment went up and down by tens of Don Geddishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04214642122689048677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-82378666727255602822017-06-19T00:25:24.252-07:002017-06-19T00:25:24.252-07:00@Peter: that's a fair question, and you're...@Peter: that's a fair question, and you're not hijacking the comments at all. (Is it even possible to hijack an empty comment thread?) I haven't written about this before. The TL;DR is that the TPP was an agreement between the U.S. and 11 other countries, notably not including China: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11752242624438232184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5592542.post-27819615619592736652017-06-18T20:35:02.069-07:002017-06-18T20:35:02.069-07:00I don't want to hijack the comment thread, but...I don't want to hijack the comment thread, but can you elaborate a bit on why you think the TPP is needed to keep China from taking over the world? (A pointer to a previous post of yours or an article by someone else would be fine.)Peter Donishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09122769947782402203noreply@blogger.com